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Unbelievable
01.26.05 (6:47 pm)   [edit]


 


Here in Canada we have a news program called "The Fifth Estate". Tonight I checked it out while waiting for something to go wrong with a server. Anyway, the issue tonight was "Sticks an Stones" discussing the current state of the US news media.


This was my first experience with Bill O'Rielly and Ann Coulter directly. I have one thing to say, "Oh My God". I have heard of both individuals before. It now all makes sense to me how moronic conservatives form their opinions. Bill refused to speak with the CBC in fear that they woulld portray Fox as "Conservative". In my humble opinion they seem to be able to create that opinion without any outside help.


Both of these idiots when confronted with Canadian discontent at the war in Iraq threatened to put some kind of unknown sanctions on Canada. The response was the same in both cases. Canada and the US have the largest trading relationship of any two nations anywhere. Coulter went on to spout off of how we were such staunch allies contributing troops during the Vietnam war. Wrong. Both showed extreme ignorance of history of Canadian involvement is US conflicts. 


Bill went on to espouse that it would happen, just like in France, making up some fictitious French publication named "The Paris Review" that claimed billions of dollars in economic loss due to loss of trade with the US. Hey, lets just make shit up on the fly! Of course this was also when being the topic was critical of the US invasion of Iraq. Back here in reality French/US trade has gone up. At least now I know where complete morons like Deshanews gets off threatening the same thing when He does not like what I have to say. I have always known this individual could not think for himself. At least now I know where He gets his information from, as well as his self important threats.


Hi triumph was abusing an interviewee whose father had died in the 911 attacks: "Out of respect for your father ... Shut UP!". Nice.


Coulter's idiocy was too bizarre to even bother with.


Other highlights included a Canadian conservative named Virginia Marsden (a sometime guest speaker on O'Rielly) who when asked, after the White House admission that there is no WMD's in Iraq responded "By who's definition?". Um, I guess that would be the White House's Virg, baby!"


They also showed how the more you watch fox news the more you are likely to believe 1 of 3 verifiable lies about the war in Iraq:


1. WMDS *sigh*


2. Saddam had a direct connection with the 911 attacks


3. Iraq was an immediate threat to the US


Incidentally, Fox news is now available in Canada as a digital channel that I have. I guess its a part of my cable deal: I certainly didn't have it. I have to check this out, for shits and giggles at the very least! I always wondered how a myopic freak like Lynnkramer knew anything at all about Canada, being the freak that he/she is. Now I know.   

 


posted by: jennirae269 (reply)
post date: 01.26.05 (9:00 pm)

Be careful, bush might find you guys a threat next! Hide your WMD's now!



posted by: almsthvn (reply)
post date: 01.27.05 (4:01 am)

Oh I'm so happy you got to experience Ann Coulter.

I find it HIGHLY amusing when she's on Bill Maher. Normally he's quite the anti-Ann-type but when she's on, he gets downright giddy. I think he wants her. Pervert.





posted by: deviant1 (reply)
post date: 01.27.05 (5:43 am)

Reply to: almsthvn

The best thing that I can find about her is her looks. Unfortunately, when she opens her mouth that gets wrecked :)



posted by: ScubaDiva (reply)
post date: 01.27.05 (5:59 am)

I think someone needs to give Ann Coulter a sandwich or two. She could star in one of those "Feed the Children" commercials. Geez.



posted by: deviant1 (reply)
post date: 01.27.05 (6:26 am)

Reply to: ScubaDiva

or maybe some electro shock therapy?



posted by: ScubaDiva (reply)
post date: 01.27.05 (6:51 am)

Reply to: deviant1
Nah... How about locking her in a house full of Italian mothers for a month?



posted by: deviant1 (reply)
post date: 01.28.05 (4:31 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox

Kurt,

I respect your opinion because I have had the opportunity to observe your thinking andd reasoning through your blogs.

All I can attest to is what I saw on on this program. This was my first experince as I stated, and that was mostly clips of her and her opinion on politics as it relates to Canada.

She hadn't the slightest clue what she was talking about. She, like O' Reilly, went on a long threatening diatribe all about how the US was going to somehow sanction Canada as we do not support the war in Iraq.

When it was pointed out to her that the US/Canada are each others largest trading partners, all she could say was "I don't think thats true" "and I'll get back to you on that". She came off as smug, arrogant and spectacularly ill informed.

Of course, it is common that most Americans don't know much about Canada. Then again, most don't go on talk shows threatening stuff with no authority and no information either. :)

Like I said, my first experience with her, through the eyes of our media.

Also, we just got Fox here, and it is only available as a digital channel. I have it but until just recently have had no interest in watching it.

Kinsey I have never heard of. I find that strange as He is a liberal and has something to do with MS. Both are areas of interest to me. I know nothing of the other personalities that you mentioned.

I should note that the program went into some detail about the MRC. Something of which I have heard of but not investigated much.

Now I know how "liberal" became a dirty word in the US. It does not have nearly the negative connotation that it does South of 49. Like I said, till now I never understood why. Although, it still makes no sense to me.

I respect your opinion even if it differs, as always.







posted by: angiekruger (reply)
post date: 01.28.05 (1:54 pm)

wow. you know i have never watched either one of these people because they get enough coverage hear in the U.S. to know that they're morons without even watching them. but hearing you describe it makes me curious....



posted by: angiekruger (reply)
post date: 01.28.05 (1:54 pm)

Reply to: ScubaDiva
what about some pie ;-)



posted by: SatoriSam (reply)
post date: 01.29.05 (6:34 am)

Stick to The Daily Show.

Jon Stuart was right when he attacked Crossfire and the shows they represent.



posted by: KarenMcP (reply)
post date: 01.29.05 (8:24 am)

Awww, you haven't been able to watch Fox News until now. You poor underpriviledged thing. How have you ever been able to form a Fair and Balanced opinion until now? LOL

Have fun with it, if you can avoid being scared shitless by it =)



posted by: KarenMcP (reply)
post date: 01.29.05 (8:49 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox
I do beg to differ Mr Maddox. The US often assumes the position of large bullying brother in relations with Canada. Your president who visited Nova Scotia this month to thank the fine people of that province who took in Americans that were stranded by 9/11, a mere 3+ years after the fact, took the opportunity to send a veiled threat to our prime minister about missle defence and if Canada didn't get on board how he couldn't be responsible for what presidents after him might do to us because of this stance.

We could also speak about softwood lumber, cattle crossing the border and wheat. The US consistently takes a stance of protectionist victim in trade with Canada despite the NAFTA agreement. The total diplomatic snub of Canada when we, as a sovereign country, decided that participation in the invasion of Iraq was not in our countries' best interests, shows your government to be petulant when faced with someone who doesn't agree with them.

Your own visits to communities within a few hundred miles of the Canada/US border does not make you an expert on Canada nor does it give your opinion any credibility. Spend more than a few days at a time here, immerse yourself in the culture and perhaps then you can speak with some authority on issues concerning Canada/US relations. Until then you suffer from myopia yourself, having only the US media as a basis to form an opnion, which really leaves you under informed.





posted by: FinalyFree (reply)
post date: 01.29.05 (11:25 am)

I personally feel ashamed that the likes of Bill O'Reily or Ann Coulter. The mere suggestion that Fox News is 'Fair and Balanced' is ludicrous. The only people who actually think it's fair or balanced are those who have the same opinion as they do. I have rarely spoke of my political affiliation here, as it is a very personal thing to me. But anyone that cannot see the ramifications of our current administration and the war in Iraq is simply looking through rose colored glasses. I agree 100% with your examples of the 3 big verifiable lies about the war in Iraq.

p.s. I have voted in every Presidential election since I was 18, I have voted for equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats. I wouldn't classify myself as liberal or conservative.

Great post :)



posted by: almsthvn (reply)
post date: 01.29.05 (12:05 pm)

what are you saying... i thought canada was a state in the usa.



posted by: JoeyDAmbrosia (reply)
post date: 01.29.05 (5:36 pm)

Reply to: deviant1

ok seriously. your complaining about how Americans know so little about Canadian politics...but you know absolutely nothing about American politics. Reading this blog makes me want to throw up all over my keyboard.

Fox news i am not saying isnt AT ALL bias, but it is the MOST UNBIAS news media EVER, even tho a host may show a bias, all humans are bias no matter what.

Anybody who thinks the war in Iraq was ENTIRELY wrong is an idiot. ok, so no WMD's where found, but Saddam had MONTHS to move them out of the country before conflict began thanks to the most corrupt ignorany organization attempting to delay things(the UN). Think of it like this: Police want to make a drug bust on a crack house. All occupants of the house have crack and are smoking it. in order for the police to arrest everybody they have to find the crack in the house, so do they do an immediate quick swift bust on the house, burst into the house and arrest all and get the drugs, or wait out front, knock on the door "come on guys, where the police! open up!" as they reply "just a minute!" as they flush their drugs, then let the officers in and say "come on in, search all ya want theres no drugs!" i wont elaborate anymore on the subject of WMD's and sufficiant analogies(spelling?) Saddam was a horrific man, brutalizing his people. What is 1 of America's duties as a nation that freed itself from tyranny?? to help other people do the same as our forefathers did when we won our independence, to free oppressed peoples. Now everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so i will not personally attack you, ill just post my own opinion.



posted by: muzak9 (reply)
post date: 01.30.05 (5:39 am)

The only exposure I've had to Bill O'Reilly is an email forward that I received from my ultra-conservative Father/Step Mom who live in the US. The email basically stated that most Canadians live to hate Americans and at the end it provided a list of great things America has done to free other nations from tyranny (basically to defend the war on Iraq). I completely disagreed with the fact that most Canadians hate Americans, and the content of that email gave me a very bad impression of Bill O'Reilly.



posted by: deviant1 (reply)
post date: 01.30.05 (8:25 am)

Reply to: JoeyDAmbrosia

Ok, Joey, I'll bet I know a hell of a lot more about American politics than you do the reverse.

I never said the world would be better off if Saddam was still in power. Certainly not. Thats not the point.

The reasons your government gave for going to war have all been proved false. Has anyone been able to poll the Iraqi people how they feel about being occupied? I'll bet the results would not be in the favor of the US.

Thats why the "insurgency" there is so prevelant. By going there the US has increased terrorism, not decreased it. There was little to no Al Quaida presence there. How about now?

As a rebuttal to your statement:

Anyone who thinks Dubya executed this invasion with any kind of intelligent planning is a complete idiot.

Diplomacy had not run its course. Whatever you think about the UN, thats what we have on this planet. To avoid war in the future it will be this type of organization that keeps wars from happening. When powerful nations decide they know better than the world as a whole the result will be bloodshed.

I might remind you of the fate of every other nation that ever attempted to "civilize" the planet.





posted by: KarenMcP (reply)
post date: 01.30.05 (9:08 am)

Reply to: Godsmack
We'd have to borrow your weapons!



posted by: deviant1 (reply)
post date: 01.30.05 (10:24 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox

Dude,

Baker is wicked I have skiied there before. Nice!

If you liked Banff, I suggest Sunshine and Lake Louise. Both incredible mountains. Panorama is also incredible.

Decent skiing is THE thing that I miss being an Albertan. Would you really not come here over political talk over the web? That doesn't sound like you.

If not, then your missing out dude! Just like I would if I didn't enjoy all the places America has to offer. Mardi Gras is of particular interest to me is Cali, Florida, etc.

Anyway, about the whole issue: Canadians are a liberal bunch as a whole. We dislike war and conflict at about the same level as a bad case of crabs. Any government who wants to stay in power here needs to adopt that stance.

The gist: we are far stronger together than apart ...




posted by: KarenMcP (reply)
post date: 01.30.05 (5:51 pm)

Reply to: kurtmaddox
I'm sure the GNP of Canada will be just fine without your tourist dollars Mr Maddox



posted by: FinalyFree (reply)
post date: 01.30.05 (7:31 pm)

Reply to: kurtmaddox

You hit the nail on the head about Fox News + controversy= ratings. In fact I think some of their hosts on the shows are actors. I sometimes think they don't really give a rat's ass about the particular politically folly they're debating. They are polished, attractive and passionate. I don't think it's genuine. I guess my major beef with Fox is their insistance of being fair and balanced, and let's face it their not. I'm sure CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS brag about their cracker-jack, accurate reporting, but they don't constantly push the fact that their 'fair and balanced'. The non-stop 'sales pitch' from Fox is just a little stiffling. I don't think Fox is fair and balanced, I'm not sure how anyone can think it is. As I stated earlier those who do think they are, are those who share their same conservative opinion. Nothing wrong with that. I just have a problem with them constantly "tooting the fair and balanced horn" when they clearly are not.

Where the war is concerned I believe the Bush administration had a personal vendetta to settle. I could be totally wrong, but this in my opinion only. I do think they thought there MUST be WMD's there...eventhough the UN inspectors had turned up nothing. My own personal feeling on the war in Iraq is this: Bush had a score to settle, he knew that Saddam was not directly linked to 9/11 but it sounded plausible so he sold it to the Americans. Saddam was an immediate threat to his people. People that are still killing in his name. I was thrilled at the thought of Iraq as a Democratic state. But let's be realistic, those people have been killing each other for centuries. We're not going to stop them. Yes we can help liberate them and pray for the best. But to think that one election is going to fix something that's been broken for so many years is not very realistic.

Also I don't have the verbal fortitude to compete with you Kurt or deviant or angiekruger. That doesn't make me any less knowledgable just lazier and not willing to provide links to back up whatever my present opinion might be,lol. My bottom line is: this war was a mistake. A Humanitarian mission to liberate the Iraqui's that wanted to be liberated is a good thing. But do that then get our men and women out of there. Just my opinion--expressed rather poorly :(



posted by: deviant1 (reply)
post date: 01.31.05 (12:57 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox

I guess that I must be some kind of ultra left wing hysteric then because I would hardly call CNN "liberal".

Not one of the major US networks have taken an anti war stance that I have seen.

Then again, I don't watch a lot of TV. I think that it lowers my IQ more than it need be. :)

Canada is "sniveling petty little brother"? Hey! Sniveling? Do you really think so?

Don't make us come down there and Jersey your ass! Haha.

Just to clarify: I deeply distrust that C student you have as the president. I am totally against this war.

I hope that since that buddy says "We are either with you or against you" that doesn't mean I'm with the terrorists!

I have enough trouble with one woman, much less 72 virgins. Can you imagine all the complaining?

LOL!



posted by: deviant1 (reply)
post date: 01.31.05 (12:59 am)

Reply to: KarenMcP

Karen, the more I find out about Fox the more it scares me. Worse than the exorcist!



posted by: ScubaDiva (reply)
post date: 01.31.05 (5:59 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox
God bless the USA. Capitalism. Freedom of Speech. :)



posted by: ScubaDiva (reply)
post date: 01.31.05 (8:42 am)

Reply to: kurtmaddox
Hon, I am ALWAYS hot, unless there's no heat on.

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